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DarKaeli
Mana Mistress
Posts: 147
(12/24/01 3:15:14 pm) |
Bad guys in good
anime.
What does a "good" bad guy look like? What characteristics must he have?
And what series have "good" villains?
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KrazySam
Roushi Ravager
Posts: 718
(12/24/01 3:55:35 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Well, you can usually spot a good guy by their large eyes. I think that in
Japan, the eyes are viewed as the windows to the soul (Well, duh. They are.)
And that if someone has large eyes, that means they're allowing others to
look at their soul. Which means that they must be good because they have
nothing to hide. If a character has smaller eyes, they're either a villian
or they're the dark brooding type with a past they can't run from.
Look at some of the series where this applies. Gundam Wing is a BIG one.
Zechs Merquise. He's got smaller eyes than everyone. And he rambles on the
entire series about how his hands are too stained with blood.... yaddah
yaddah.
But then again, I've seen a bad guy with large eyes. Sephiroth being one.
But Sephiroth isn't the true villian, in my opinion. In my opinon, the people
who created him are the true bad guys. Eh. Whatever.
Ahhh, and Dakki's from Houshin Engi. She's a good example. She's a bad mutha-shut
yo mouth and she's got huuuuuge eyes. But then again... (Mild spoilers ahead.
I'm censoring out the huge ones)
She does go pretty neutral toward the very end of the manga. I mean, after
all, she DID (spoiler) (spoiler), and one would think that'd she'd let (spoiler)
(spoiler)
Hmm.... If anyone's seen Photon, that's a good example. Everyone in the whole
series has HUGE eyes. Except Papacha. But then again, Papacha has "Villian"
written all over his face because it's a comedy.
Etc etc etc. ^_^; I shut up now. |
Linta
Hawk
Posts: 137
(12/24/01 5:05:37 pm)
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Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Ah.....lessee....
Cell from DBZ. Something about him that I just like. Very creepy. Villainy.
Etc.
Uhmm....Oh! Jedite from Sailor Moon! I had an obsession with him for quite
some time...^_~ |
intrasonic
Hawk
Posts: 49
(12/24/01 5:05:47 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
*Cough*MagicalKnightRayearth*cough*
Hmm... there might be some merit to that whole 'big eyes=good person' thing.
On the same note, shrouding the person's face with their hair is often done
to give a mysterious air to the character, by not giving the viewer a glimpse
of the face. And with outright evil guys, the front view, with the nose-upwards
blackened tends to imply the person is evil. One example would be a character
like Slayers' Xellos, who almost always has his eyes closed (and is not a
very trustworthy person), except when he finally takes action (in which case
he has slitted, non-human eyes).
I imagine that the bad guy should either be a bishonen or else have enough
spiky armour to give a mortal a hernia. Or in extreme cases, both. If the
bad 'guy' is a woman, she should have a rack with its own gravitational constant.
I don't know if it makes for a 'GOOD' bad guy, but it seems rather traditional. |
Average
Joe
Smarter Than The Average Bear
Posts: 223
(12/24/01 7:35:50 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
The outfit is another thing. Bad guys have costumes, while the good guys
wear clothes. The more it looks like something you'd really not be seen in
public in, the more likely that they're a bad guy.
Also, bad guys tend to either have slouchy postures or have their chins tucked
in, often both. This makes them look as if they're trying to protect themselves
from something, which is often the case. This makes them stare out from beneath
their eyebrows, like they're glaring at you.
Something else to look for is shadows (though this is more true of manga
than anime). The heavier the shadows around the character, the more likely
for it to be an evil character. This also applies to dirt. Evil characters
will look dirty instead of shadowed. (Just watch for crosshatching in
manga.)
Keep an eye out for sharp lines and jagged edges as well. Crisp, clean lines
denotes a crisp, clean character, while jagged edges and broken lines show
a tortured or evil soul.
Anyhow, that's just my take on it. I might be wrong on any of these points.
These were just some general observations. |
Minmei
Posts: 1108
(12/24/01 8:04:13 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Eyes, huh?
I wonder if anyone can explain Chiba Mamoru (NA: Darien) and Dr. Tomoe from
Sailor Moon..
Well, I guess I could. [commence spoilers]
Mamoru has smaller eyes than the typical male in the series. In the first
season of Sailor Moon, he mentions that he was orphaned in a car crash when
he was young, and can't remember anything up until that point. He doesn't
know who he is, but he has frequent and mysterious dreams about a princess
asking him to set her free. (explained when he finds out he was in love with
a moon princess in a former life)
Later in the season, he's wounded fatally but is revived when his body is
taken by Beryl and Kunzite. There he's brainwashed into becoming one of Beryl's
minions, and goes up several times against the sailor senshi for the silver
crystal. So...could smaller eyes not only be a symbol of a dark past, but
also portend villainy?
Then there's Dr. Tomoe....he has the typical large eyes, but he's a villain.
He was actually a good guy until a lab accident cost him the life of his
daughter, Hotaru. However, he bargained with an evil force to let Hotaru
live...but he would no longer be in control of his own mind.
In the light, as a normal father and citizen, his eyes seem very gentle and
loving, but in the darkness, as a mad scientist, all you can see are his
glasses and a cheesy evil grin. He looks sort of goofy, even. (Actually,
it's pretty funny especially at that part he's sitting on his front porch
with a snack) Also, there's something about his glasses....one of the lenses
is clear, while the other....well, I'm not sure what's in it. Some sort of
design. So how about glasses? Does that play a part in good/evil characteristics? |
KrazySam
Roushi Ravager
Posts: 720
(12/24/01 8:26:29 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Well, I notice that if some guy's acting kinda shady, he'll be "missing"
an eye or one of his glasses lenses turns opaque, it seems. =P Or there's
a huuuge glare. Something like that, perhaps? |
Minmei
Posts: 1109
(12/24/01 8:44:55 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Yeah, the pattern in the lens...damn, I know there was something significant
about it...oh wait, a black star went into one of his eyes and the lens was
kind of opaque. That's what it was.
But yeah, whatever it is, it covers his other eye. |
Nagers
Hawk
Posts: 68
(12/25/01 2:50:51 am) |
Kagato- the best
example
He has the dignity and class of the highest gentleman. You could call him
the Hannibal Lecter of Anime. He isn't extremely powerful, which is good,
since most (namely DBZ) are always rediculously powerful for no reason. Plus,
he didn't freak out when he died. I have more reasons but I posted them in
a Kagato message board. Ask me if you want the link. |
KrazySam
Roushi Ravager
Posts: 722
(12/25/01 3:17:07 am) |
woo woo woo!
A really really really really really good villain is Legato Bluesummers from
Trigun. Not only is he sexy, have a sexy voice, insane mind-powers, and style,
he has a saxophone-wielding buddy, an INSANE way of doing things, AWESOME
calmness, and he had himself (SPOILER) just to torture Vash! Now THAT'S a
villain. Willing to (SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER) for the sole purpose of torturing
Vash forever and ever. |
Human12
Welcome To Corneria!
Posts: 460
(12/26/01 9:46:44 pm)
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Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
I like any villains where you can at least sympathize, if not agree with,
their motivations. |
KrazySam
Roushi Ravager
Posts: 728
(12/26/01 10:07:24 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Oh, you mean the entire "bad guy" side of X? |
Nyvinyd
Hawk
Posts: 18
(12/27/01 4:38:20 am)
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Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
Ashram, anyone? Best damned villian I've ever seen in an anime. |
Roy
Fokker 99th
Hawk
Posts: 39
(1/5/02 2:22:40 am) |
Kagato...
I'm going to have to agree with Nagers. He says some of the most smooth lines
in the history of villany. In either Japanese or English, the OAV Kagato
owns your mom.
"You've won boy..."
-Kagato |
Nagers
Hawk
Posts: 84
(1/5/02 3:27:31 am) |
Re: Kagato...
Damn right. Please, if anyone even can think of one reason why they like
(yes an opinion can be wrong here
) the TV Kagato better than the OVA one,
they must die. |
Human12
Welcome To Corneria!
Posts: 500
(1/5/02 3:41:12 am)
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Re: Kagato...
OVA Kagato was nifty-keen. Plus, Ryoko kicked ass. Anything that showcases
Ryoko coolness as okay by me. |
Nagers
Hawk
Posts: 90
(1/6/02 3:03:01 am) |
Re: Kagato...
Here's that link, regardless of nobody asking for it, this is hands-down
the best site for Kagato. I used to post there under "Nagi" and "spazz".
I quit due to people there knowing more than me, which is very disturbing
if you ask me. It used to have more topics, but I don't know where they
went.
www.geocities.com/kagatofollower/ |
JSeraphim
Hawk
Posts: 4
(1/6/02 3:47:08 am) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
I think...something about their hair makes them evil...I was playing FFX
and I saw Seymour...my first intuition was that he was evil, based on his
hair...
nakago from FY had some whack hair too...I mean...it's definitely
unconventional...
or when i was watching angelic layer...just by the hairstyle...you'd know
like, all the contestants couldn't be truly evil just because of their
hair...
like...unless their hair is truly defining of the character...the most radical
hair belongs to the villain. |
Akira07
Hawk
Posts: 89
(1/6/02 6:37:22 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
I think that Dr. Tomoe's look defines ALL evil. Mwa-ha-ha |
therealdragonwarrior
Hawk
Posts: 38
(1/11/02 9:30:07 pm) |
Re: Bad guys in good
anime.
A good bad guy has certain aire about him. The way he walks, if he has the
right amount of arrogance in his voice, clothes don't play into it much but
they do help, and if he can make it seem like he isn't a bad guy.
Seymour in FFX is a good example. The entire time you couldn't really figure
out if he was good or evil but by the way he was one could tell that he was
evil.
Maybe its just me I dunno... |